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The page is a little outdated. Currently Netscape 4.x has a very small market share, and MSIE 4 even smaller. IMO, there's no reason to continue to use document.layers and document.all .

Also, inline style should not be recommanded. code like blah should be changed to blah blah

The doc doesn't talk about Standard-compliant mode vs Quirk mode (which I believe MSIE6 also support).

The doc is written for DOM1. DOM2 support element.innerText and element.innerHTML. These changes need to be documented.

Bob, can you use the Edit this Page link at the bottom of the page to do a patch to update the content? Better yet, do a upgrade_3.html page

我也同意先翻較重要的.
如Firefox的products頁及projects頁, 會較易推廣Firefox. 特別是這個roadmap, 因為我發現很多人都不明白為什麼Firefox 0.8還是很多bug的樣子.
事實上, Firefox到0.9都只是開發功能為主(開發人員說0.9是"Feature Complete"了), 亦即是一般軟件所說的alpha stage(階段), 但還是useable(可用)的, 使用基本功能都沒有問題. 0.10(現在好像改了1.0 Beta)才是Firefox Beta階段, 並在1.0時才一次把所有零碎的bug砍掉.
這與其他軟件很不同, 因一般軟件的alpha stage都比較爛^^", 甚至不公開給人試用, 所以, 現時的Firefox多bug也無可口非(只是Technology Preview嘛!). 我認為這是推廣Firefox的同時, 必須說明的東西.

The page is a little outdated. Currently Netscape 4.x has a very small market share, and MSIE 4 even smaller. IMO, there's no reason to continue to use document.layers and document.all .

Bob, can you use the Edit this Page link at the bottom of the page to do a patch to update the content? Better yet, do a upgrade_3.html page

發表人:	BobChao [ 2004-02-15, 01:22 ]
文章主題 :	[翻譯中] Using Web Standards in Your Web Pages
http://noellab.net/ernest/tavi/index.ph ... bStandards 先宣告一下, 免得又有不同的人做同樣的事 XD source http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-develop ... ade_2.html

發表人:	danielwang [ 2004-02-15, 16:00 ]
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The page is a little outdated. Currently Netscape 4.x has a very small market share, and MSIE 4 even smaller. IMO, there's no reason to continue to use document.layers and document.all . Also, inline style should not be recommanded. code like <p style="blah">blah <span style="font-size:larger"><span></p> should be changed to <p class="fun">blah <span class="funtext">blah</span></p> The doc doesn't talk about Standard-compliant mode vs Quirk mode (which I believe MSIE6 also support). The doc is written for DOM1. DOM2 support element.innerText and element.innerHTML. These changes need to be documented. Bob, can you use the Edit this Page link at the bottom of the page to do a patch to update the content? Better yet, do a upgrade_3.html page

發表人:	訪客 [ 2004-02-15, 19:26 ]
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dwx 寫: The page is a little outdated. Currently Netscape 4.x has a very small market share, and MSIE 4 even smaller. IMO, there's no reason to continue to use document.layers and document.all . Also, inline style should not be recommanded. code like <p style="blah">blah <span style="font-size:larger"><span></p> should be changed to <p class="fun">blah <span class="funtext">blah</span></p> The doc doesn't talk about Standard-compliant mode vs Quirk mode (which I believe MSIE6 also support). The doc is written for DOM1. DOM2 support element.innerText and element.innerHTML. These changes need to be documented. Bob, can you use the Edit this Page link at the bottom of the page to do a patch to update the content? Better yet, do a upgrade_3.html page 我也同意先翻較重要的. 如Firefox的products頁及projects頁, 會較易推廣Firefox. 特別是這個roadmap, 因為我發現很多人都不明白為什麼Firefox 0.8還是很多bug的樣子. 事實上, Firefox到0.9都只是開發功能為主(開發人員說0.9是"Feature Complete"了), 亦即是一般軟件所說的alpha stage(階段), 但還是useable(可用)的, 使用基本功能都沒有問題. 0.10(現在好像改了1.0 Beta)才是Firefox Beta階段, 並在1.0時才一次把所有零碎的bug砍掉. 這與其他軟件很不同, 因一般軟件的alpha stage都比較爛^^", 甚至不公開給人試用, 所以, 現時的Firefox多bug也無可口非(只是Technology Preview嘛!). 我認為這是推廣Firefox的同時, 必須說明的東西.

發表人:	訪客 [ 2004-02-15, 20:26 ]
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dwx 寫: The page is a little outdated. Currently Netscape 4.x has a very small market share, and MSIE 4 even smaller. IMO, there's no reason to continue to use document.layers and document.all . Also, inline style should not be recommanded. code like <p style="blah">blah <span style="font-size:larger"><span></p> should be changed to <p class="fun">blah <span class="funtext">blah</span></p> The doc doesn't talk about Standard-compliant mode vs Quirk mode (which I believe MSIE6 also support). The doc is written for DOM1. DOM2 support element.innerText and element.innerHTML. These changes need to be documented. Bob, can you use the Edit this Page link at the bottom of the page to do a patch to update the content? Better yet, do a upgrade_3.html page Sorry, element.innerText與element.innerHTML不是IE的DOM擴展嗎?

發表人:	AZeL [ 2004-02-15, 20:32 ]
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Anonymous 寫: 我也同意先翻較重要的. 如Firefox的products頁及projects頁, 會較易推廣Firefox. 特別是這個roadmap, 因為我發現很多人都不明白為什麼Firefox 0.8還是很多bug的樣子. 事實上, Firefox到0.9都只是開發功能為主(開發人員說0.9是"Feature Complete"了), 亦即是一般軟件所說的alpha stage(階段), 但還是useable(可用)的, 使用基本功能都沒有問題. 0.10(現在好像改了1.0 Beta)才是Firefox Beta階段, 並在1.0時才一次把所有零碎的bug砍掉. 這與其他軟件很不同, 因一般軟件的alpha stage都比較爛^^", 甚至不公開給人試用, 所以, 現時的Firefox多bug也無可口非(只是Technology Preview嘛!). 我認為這是推廣Firefox的同時, 必須說明的東西. 嗯, 我也覺得這樣蠻有道理的, 事實上我常常忘記 Firefox 還屬於 alpha 階段的程式而沒頭沒腦地向別人推薦, 卻忘記其實有很多一般使用者很容易在意但我自己早已經習慣的 bug, 反而使他們有壞印象想想就是因為沒有講清楚這只是個還在重度發展的程式. 不過 alpha stage 就有這麼好的成積真是相當值得贊賞, 這也是因為本來的 Mozilla suite 就相當成熟的原因吧.

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發表人:	BobChao [ 2004-02-16, 08:49 ]
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dwx 寫: The page is a little outdated. Currently Netscape 4.x has a very small market share, and MSIE 4 even smaller. IMO, there's no reason to continue to use document.layers and document.all . 嗯... 這點我有一點不一樣的看法: 我自己是資管系的學生, 大概知道有很多的網頁都是由設計科跟資訊科的學生兼差製作的. 大部分的的兼差者不會在意什麼叫做"標準", 只在乎網頁看起來怎樣. 而且 cross-browser 的觀念也差強人意, IE Only 的東西實在太多了. 這些事情的確在改善中, 但我還嫌有點不夠快... 所以在"説帖"裡, 除了跟一般使用者推廣 Firefox 的文章之外, 我覺得真正還少的是給網頁設計師的推廣文章. 就說剛剛我去書店翻了翻, 所謂的 DHTML 書籍都還有許多是 document.all 的天下. 是以, "there's no reason to continue to use document.all" 當然正確無誤, 但在台灣的情形上還是有很多人持續在用... 希望能有一篇什麼, 跟大家宣導改用 DOM 的文章. 也就是說, 國情不同. 在這方面的認知上我覺得似乎學生設計師沒有很好的"網路標準"概念, 所以我想這篇文章還是值得被翻譯的 dwx 寫: Bob, can you use the Edit this Page link at the bottom of the page to do a patch to update the content? Better yet, do a upgrade_3.html page 心有餘力不足... DOM 不是很熟... @_@... Quirk 那個我記得在 MSDN 上有看過而 Mozilla 的支援部份在官方站的另外一篇文章有寫了或許我把該 MSDN 文章的連結加在Mozilla.org那篇Quirk 的文章裡... 如果有哪位仁兄願意寫的話我可以補到翻譯版中...

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